tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post3888376049658316997..comments2024-03-28T02:25:27.817+00:00Comments on Red Parsley: Saturn Driving / Racing Games #1RetroKingSimonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05609689348601442117noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-51316455203151602602014-09-24T10:42:44.025+01:002014-09-24T10:42:44.025+01:00Oh yes, it was never really going to be a success,...Oh yes, it was never really going to be a success, I understand that, but the console itself was pretty decent. Much more powerful than anything else at the time and not too far from PS1 and Saturn - better at some things, worse at others. I think a big part of its failure was its price (probably because the tech was still too expensive) and the games that were released on it. Far too many developers were trying to make FMV games or other examples that would impress people with their visuals but ended up being extremely limited to play. It could've hosted some fantastic games...RetroKingSimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609689348601442117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-59274550876287172392014-09-24T10:29:45.882+01:002014-09-24T10:29:45.882+01:003DO wasn't that powerful.
2D games like Gex ru...3DO wasn't that powerful.<br />2D games like Gex run at 30fps.<br />3DO could never catch on because the business model was totally wrong.<br />All the 3DO Company got out of it was severe losses.Neogafnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-57107701135598354112014-09-22T20:03:07.286+01:002014-09-22T20:03:07.286+01:00Yeah, it was a powerful machine. Shame it didn'...Yeah, it was a powerful machine. Shame it didn't catch on, it was a bit of a waste really :( I guess it was just a little too much too soon and therefore cost a fortune. It still has two of my favourite games of all time though :)RetroKingSimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609689348601442117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-79405821303980383982014-09-22T18:55:25.616+01:002014-09-22T18:55:25.616+01:00Well there's more than that, as there are some...Well there's more than that, as there are some instances in which the 3DO outperforms both the Saturn and PS1. # of colors on a texture was one of them. Also, if I'm not mistaken the 3DO had an easier time displaying FMVs.That Random Game Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795109665611991164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-35464856596692246122014-09-20T16:48:39.091+01:002014-09-20T16:48:39.091+01:00I'm not sure that was a great idea by Sega if ...I'm not sure that was a great idea by Sega if true - surely their biggest asset as a player in the home console market was their arcade games? You're right about Sony though, I think everyone under-estimated them :(RetroKingSimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609689348601442117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-72495957611862677232014-09-20T16:46:59.648+01:002014-09-20T16:46:59.648+01:00I guess there haven't really been too many 3DO...I guess there haven't really been too many 3DO-to-Saturn or PS1 conversions but I guess they are all a bit ropey. I always just figured the people doing the conversions couldn't really be arsed since the games weren't that well known and also getting on a bit by then. I'm not really sure what this quads/triangles business is all about though :PRetroKingSimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609689348601442117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-70173474703816309352014-09-20T16:44:24.404+01:002014-09-20T16:44:24.404+01:00I haven't played Touge 2 yet but I heard it...I haven't played Touge 2 yet but I heard it's flashier but not as enjoyable. I'll find out soon anyway! :)RetroKingSimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609689348601442117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-44978266030622559222014-09-20T15:00:14.232+01:002014-09-20T15:00:14.232+01:00I think Sega wanted to kept separate their arcade ...I think Sega wanted to kept separate their arcade business and console business.<br />They also were aiming to outperform the 3DO initially, they didn't expect at all Sony being so aggressive (not just in specs but in money spent in R&D, marketing, tools, acquisition).<br /><br />If you think about it Saturn used quads instead of triangles just like 3DO or Sega early 3D arcade boards.Neogafnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-54504659264965217402014-09-20T14:47:17.903+01:002014-09-20T14:47:17.903+01:00Get Touge 2, it's a more polished game.
Also i...Get Touge 2, it's a more polished game.<br />Also if you don't own it yet, get Wipeout 2097.Neogafnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-79039382224763789412014-09-19T20:20:30.988+01:002014-09-19T20:20:30.988+01:00Actually most 3DO-to-PS1 or 3DO-to-Saturn conversi...Actually most 3DO-to-PS1 or 3DO-to-Saturn conversions were actually better on the 3DO. In fact, from what I read it was actually easier to port from the 3DO to the Saturn as both systems used quads instead of triangles.That Random Game Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795109665611991164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-67909510155294055142014-09-19T14:17:21.040+01:002014-09-19T14:17:21.040+01:00Yes, some very good points actually, the may have ...Yes, some very good points actually, the may have decided the home gaming market wasn't ready for 3D, and then crapped themselves when they saw the PS1's specs! Ironically, one of my favourite games - Star Fighter - is notably graphically superior on the 3DO than on the Saturn (and PS1). Just lazy conversions though I expect :(RetroKingSimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609689348601442117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-70362533095325622832014-09-19T13:48:14.317+01:002014-09-19T13:48:14.317+01:00From what I understand, Sega was at war with itsel...From what I understand, Sega was at war with itself at the time and I don't mean just the classical SOA vs. SOJ feud either. Most internal studio had no idea what the others were doing. I imagine it was a big surprised for Sega AM-2 when they discovered the Saturn was going to be 2D.<br /><br />As for the decision that prompted it, I'm assuming it's related to the 3DO's and Jaguar's commercial struggles but that's just a theory of mine.That Random Game Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795109665611991164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-41875771285405811022014-09-19T08:41:24.953+01:002014-09-19T08:41:24.953+01:00Yeah, they haven't aged as gracefully have the...Yeah, they haven't aged as gracefully have they? There were a few instances of the Saturn producing near-PS1-standard 3D graphics - Sonic R, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Burning Rangers, for example, but even they didn't always have great frame rates. I never understood why Sega developed the Saturn as a 2D powerhouse right on the eve of the 3D boom. It's not like they didn't know it was coming - they helped start it!RetroKingSimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609689348601442117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-78622033927585898132014-09-18T21:08:03.378+01:002014-09-18T21:08:03.378+01:00Oh definitely, from a technical standpoint PS1 rac...Oh definitely, from a technical standpoint PS1 racers were better. The system itself was better suited for 3D as well. Generally speaking most 3D Saturn games look like early PS1 titles.That Random Game Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795109665611991164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-76167737187468110252014-09-18T18:22:48.161+01:002014-09-18T18:22:48.161+01:00Well, yes, I generally prefer arcade style racing ...Well, yes, I generally prefer arcade style racing games too, I just meant from a technical standpoint really :)RetroKingSimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609689348601442117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-70007784470072251972014-09-18T18:04:20.379+01:002014-09-18T18:04:20.379+01:00Well I was never big into sims so Gran Turismo doe...Well I was never big into sims so Gran Turismo doesn't appeal to me. I generally prefer Sega's racing games for a quick game session whereas the PS1 releases I play them when I have more time to dedicate myself to a game.That Random Game Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795109665611991164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-54114812649235070562014-09-18T08:59:02.361+01:002014-09-18T08:59:02.361+01:00Yes, I guess you're right there actually, but ...Yes, I guess you're right there actually, but I also find that PS1 racing games are just generally of much higher quality and haven't aged as much. The Sega Rally conversion was amazing of course, but what other examples really impress on the Saturn? Even games that are considered average on the PS1 like Motorhead or Porsche Challenge are much higher quality than most Saturn examples, and I'm not even going to mention Gran Turismo. Oops, too late! :P Seriously though, there's nothing even remotely close to GT on the Saturn. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Sega fan and was desperate for it to succeed against the PS1 but this is one area that Sony really had it beat if you ask me...RetroKingSimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609689348601442117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-1327720404733853212014-09-18T00:55:34.799+01:002014-09-18T00:55:34.799+01:00That might be the issue. The Ps1 and Saturn genera...That might be the issue. The Ps1 and Saturn generally had different takes when it came to racing games. Saturn racers were as much a race against others players as it was against the clock.That Random Game Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795109665611991164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-40728431030590469472014-09-17T19:54:03.409+01:002014-09-17T19:54:03.409+01:00I know what you mean, I just had the Sega arcade c...I know what you mean, I just had the Sega arcade conversions back then too, but this one is pretty good compared to them. A little rough around the edges I guess but it could be worse. As I said in the review though, it pales in comparison to some PS1 racing games... :|RetroKingSimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609689348601442117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5455082771543433548.post-78462227727353208162014-09-17T19:39:18.695+01:002014-09-17T19:39:18.695+01:00When it comes to the Saturn I've only ever rea...When it comes to the Saturn I've only ever really cared about Sega's own titles (Sega Rally, Manx TT Superbike, etc.) but I might look into this one. I've been craving a new Saturn racing game for a while now.That Random Game Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795109665611991164noreply@blogger.com